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February 10, 1988
NOTICE
CITY COUNCIL
WORKSHOP MEETING
There will be a Workshop Meeting of the City Council on
Wednesday, March 16, 1988 at 10:00 a.m. in the Council
Chambers at City Hall, 5811 N.W. 88th Avenue, Tamarac,
Florida. The subject of this meeting is Recycling
Information.
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Patricia Marcurio
Acting City Clerk
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CITY OF TAMARAC
CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP MEETING
WEDNESDAY, MARCH 16, 1988
TAPE 1
CALL TO ORDER: Mayor Abramowitz called this meeting to Order on
Wednesday, March 16, 1988 in the Council Chambers.
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ALSO PRESENT:
Mayor Norman Abramowitz
Vice Mayor Jack Stelzer
Councilman Herman "Larry" Bender
Councilman Bruce Hoffman
Councilman Henry Rohr
John P. Kelly, City Manager
Richard Doody, City Attorney
Pauline Walaszek, Special Services
Secretary
Mayor Abramowitz asked everyone to wish V/M Stelzer a
Happy Birthday and he then turned the meeting over to
City Manager Kelly.
City Manager Kelly said the idea of recycling was not new
and was not promoted as effectively as it should be. He
said C/M Hoffman and C/M Rohr attended a workshop for
recycling in Miami and the City was very interested in
the information that was brought back from that workshop.
He said Mike Couzzo, Director of Public Works, assembled
this workshop and he asked Mr. Couzzo to continue with
the workshop.
Mike Couzzo, Director of Public Works, introduced the
City Council,, the Mayor, and the City Manager to Ana Gonzalez
Engineer from Hazen & Sawyer. He said Ms. Gonzalez
prepared the backup for this meeting.
Mr. Couzzo said the purpose of this workshop was to
review alternatives to solid waste disposal through the
implementation of recycling programs. He said there were
professionals from both the public and private sectors at
this meeting who would be speaking about the issue. He
introduced Patrick A. Davis, Engineer and Associate of
Hazen and Sawyer.
Patrick A. Davis, Engineer and Associate of Hazen and
Sawyer, said the City knew Hazen and Sawyer from
designing improvements to the City's Water and Wastewater
facilities. He said Hazen and Sawyer has always been
involved in Solid Waste and Management throughout the
United States.
Mr. Davis said the solid waste had been handled through
the siting of landfills and designing the landfills for
incinerators. He said this process started to change 11
to 15 years ago when people realized that landfills were
not being designed adequately to protect the environment.
He said with these concerns, the industry beqan to
investigate resource and energy recovery by burning the
garbage.
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Mr. Davis said 8 years ago, Hazen and Sawyer and two
other consulting firms designed a Solid Waste Management
Plan for Broward County. He said the Plan recommended
Resource Recovery Facilities that would handle all of the
County's waste with ash or residual disposal at two new
landfills located adjacent to those facilities. He said
one facility was on Copans Road and the other facility
was on State Road 84 and 441 (State Road 7).
Mr. Davis said Hazen and Sawyer designed the last
expansion of the Davie landfill, which was in 1982. He
said that landfill was filled and closed. He said in the
interim, the County was designing and building a new
landfill on Route 27 which would only handle the solid
waste until the Resource Recovery Facilities were ready.
Mr. Davis said when the solid waste study was done for
Broward County, recycling was investigated which did not
seem feasible. He said since the tipping fees were being
increased, many of the States in the United States
implemented regulations requiring recycling. He said the
DER (Department of Environmental Regulations) in the
State of Florida would also be implementing recycling
goals.
Mr. Davis said up to 1/3 of the solid waste generated in
each Municipality would need to be recycled. He said 1/3
of the solid waste would go to the waste to energy plants
and 1/3 would go to the landfills.
Mr. Davis said recycling would not be an imposition
because there would be tangible benefits. He said some
of the benefits would be reduced cost for solid waste
processing, reduced landfill volume, energy and materials
savings and reduced pollution.
Mr. Davis said the energy recovery for aluminum could be
90% to 97%, paper 23% to 74%, steel 47% to 74% and glass
4% to 32%. He said if aluminum required 134,000 BTU of
energy to create, almost 130,000 could be recovered by
recycling the aluminum.
Mr. Davis said some of the viable markets for the
recovery of material in Municipal areas are newspaper,
aluminum and glass. He said the viable market for the
recovery of materials in Commercial areas is corrugated
paper.
Mr. Couzzo introduced Bert Luer, Waste Management, Inc.
He said Mr. Luer came to the City regarding the recycling
program and at that time, Mr. Luer was representing
Durbin Paper Company.
Bert Luer, Recycling Market Development Manager from
Waste Management, Inc., said the solid waste problem was
increasing and the State has been discussing how to solve
this problem. He said the issue was timely and the
tipping fees in the State were increasing rapidly. He
said when the burn facilities begin, the tipping fees are
expected to be $60.00 per ton.
Mr. Luer said because the tipping fees were so expensive,
recycling seemed to be the most feasible type of solid
waste program. He said Waste Management was dedicated in
participating in the programs and on a Nationwide basis,
the curb side recycling programs are the most popular.
He said the largest program was in San dose, California,
which was a multi -material curb side program. He said
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each household is given a set of recycling containers and
each container was used for newspaper, cans and bottles.
He said once a week a truck was sent to pick up the
materials which were taken to a recycling facility for
processing. He said this program was steadily increasing.
C/M Bender asked who would distribute the containers and
who would cover the program costs.
Mr. Luer said the ultimate cost would be calculated in
with the overall operational costs of the program which
would be decided upon by the homeowner or the City
through contractual obligations. He said the hauler
would take the responsibility of distributing the
containers.
C/M Rohr asked if the tonnage was credited to the City
and Mr. Luer said he understood that the City of Tamarac
presently had that type of clause in their current
hauling contract.
Mr. Luer said when a separate man picks up the solid
waste materials, the revenues from the materials would
not cover the cost of the operation.
Mayor Abramowitz asked if the history of the program
could be given. He said he would like to get estimates
and the progress of the program.
Mr. Luer said the answer depended on several parameters
such as, what the tipping fee would be and what the
population and participation rate.
Mayor Abramowitz said
the City had
that
type of
information available
and he would
like
to see the
citizens and the City
benefit from
this
program.
Mr. Luer said the City had a $30.00 per ton -. -= cost
and a $30.00 per ton revenue. He said the City had a
$60.00 per ton overall benefit. He said with that
overall benefit, the recycling program should produce
excess revenues which would be returned to the City. He
said with the multi -material cost of the containers and
cost of a truck at a $60.00 per ton cost for newspaper,
etc., the City would break even or gain very little
revenue,
Mayor Abramowitz asked if one truck would pickup three
different types of waste material and Mr. Luer replied,
yes.
C/M Hoffman said the County was building two recycling
plants and said the plants would cost a lot of money. He
said the bonds for those plants had to be paid and asked
if the tipping fees would be increased to make up the
lost revenue. He said he did not want to waste time on
reviewing and considering a recycling program if the
tipping fees would remain the same.
Mr. Luer said cans and bottles were not organic and could
not burn; however, newspapers could be burned creating
value to the burn facility. He said a burn facility
generated ash and lead residues creating a problem for
the analysis of the ash. He said experience with other
burn facilities in the State of Florida showed that the
population was increasing and also the per capita
generation of garbage. He said the burn facilities in
Hillsboro County and the City of Tampa are already at
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their capacity and were thinking about adding additional
burners. He said no burn facility in the State of
Florida had a problem like C/M Hoffman was concerned
with.
C/M Hoffman said as traffic increases on the Turnpike,
tolls were raised to make up the difference. He said if
this procedure could happen with recycling, he would like
to know.
Mr. Luer said he could not give C/M Hoffman an absolute
answer regarding this matter. He said all he could do is
present past experience to the City of Tamarac.
C/M Rohr said he was not concerned about the lack of
materials for the incinerators in the future. He said
the population in the State of Florida would continue
increasing and he was concerned with the increase of
garbage and the environmental hazard to the people. He
said the State has started to mandate that each County
have a recycling program. He said the City should try to
find a positive solution to meet the problems and get
ahead of the problems before the City was mandated by the
State to have a program.
V/M Stelzer said in 1982 or 1983, Walter Falck asked him
to work with Durbin Paper regarding a recycling program
for newspapers. He said the citizens willingly kept
their papers separate from the garbage which were picked
up by volunteers. He said the City presently has two
paper dumpsters behind Public Works and about 10 tons of
paper were being picked up per week. He said to have the
City trucks pickup this paper would cost the City money.
He said the people of the City were willing to segregate
their garbage; however, the problem would be how the
garbage would be picked up. He said even if the City did
not profit from the program, the land fills would not be
as full and detrimental.
Mayor Abramowitz said the garbage problem was becoming
serious and if Waste Management was interested in the
program they would create a program for the City which
would show the benefits of the program to the City and
the residents.
Mr. Luer said Waste Management would work very closely
with the City regarding the knowledge of the program.
V/M Stelzer said New York had a vending machine for
aluminum cans. He said the cans were inserted and a
nickel popped out. He said these machines could be
designed for glass and aluminum cans as well which would
not involve Waste Management.
Mr. Luer said there was legislation regarding this
program; however, there were problems with the
legislation. He said there were better ways of
separating recycling materials and curb side separation
was better. He said the vending machines were
experimental and there may be machines of that type
placed in South Florida.
Mr. Couzzo said the City could proceed with the cost
analysis and projections of recycling programs, if the
City Council desired.
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Mayor Abramowitz said he would like Waste Management to
provide the information for the City. He said Waste
Management was interested in the program and would
benefit from the program, and they are in a better
financial position than the City.
Mr. Couzzo introduced Syron Friar, from Durbin Paper
Stock Company, and he said Mr. Friar presently handled
the paper recycling program in Tamarac.
Byron Friar, Municipal Projects Director from the Durbin
Paper Stock Company, said Durbin Paper Stock Company was
80 years old and the present owners have had the business
for over 20 years. He said his company had a plant in
Pompano and was servicing Broward County from a larger
plant in Miami.
Mr. Friar said his company and Waste Management wanted to
provide a plan for recycling to the City at no cost. He
said the recycling program behind the Public Works
building was too successful for its type of location and
operation. He said the thing that the program lacked was
convenience.
Mr. Friar said the curb side recycling program provided
convenience to the homeowner. He said experience showed
that the homeowners would separate their materials
providing someone picked it up.
Mr. Friar said the first thing that was reviewed when a
recycling program was being established was what the
market would be. He said the recyclable goods the City
of Tamarac would be distributing had very strong markets
and would continue being strong in the future. He said
his company would guarantee that everything being
produced by the City would be marketed. He said several
Municipalities had problems finding a market because they
were remote or fell on the line between districts of
distribution and neither of these problems were going to
hurt Tamarac. He said there were several solid waste
programs surrounding Tamarac; therefore, there would be
no problems with vendors bidding on the City's market.
Mr. Friar said the City should seek a contract and he
suggested the City get a one year contract with an
automatic renewal clause. He said he would be meeting
with the Lieutenant Governor regarding the recycling
program.
C/M Rohr said because the City of Tamarac was an Adult
Community, the percentage in paper was higher than most
Cities and Mr. Friar said the percentages of paper was
based on the local distribution of newspaper which was
very high in percentage. He said the figures given to
the City regarding the paper percentage was very
conservative because of the out -of --town people involved.
Mayor Abramowitz asked how the program worked in the
condominiums and Mr. Friar said the density of the
condominiums was reviewed to see if the program would be
feasible. He said if the program was feasible, a number
of containers based on convenience to the residents were
placed. He said the containers were serviced by a front
end loader refuse truck. He said the containers were 6
cubic yard containers which held about 2 tons.
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Mayor Abramowitz asked if the people have to take their
materials to the loader and if other types of convenience
were investigated.
Mr. Friar said several processes were investigated and
this type of process by experience seemed to be the most
feasible for all involved.
V/M Stelzer said Century Village in West Palm Beach and
Deerfield Beach have a collection program and the money
from the program was used to beautify and landscape the
villages. He said if their program was so profitable,
the City's Condominium Associations could find the
program profitable.
V/M Stelzer said if Waste Management told the people that
there would be a 10% cut in their garbage costs, they
would be more than willing to cooperate.
Mayor Abramowitz said the condominiums had maintenance
people and if the containers were placed outside the
doors, maintenance could collect it. He said the
citizens would have to participate in the program in
order for it to work.
C/M Rohr said the City was only getting half of the
credit for the garbage collection and he asked why the
City was not getting the same credit they were paying
for.
Bert Luer said the clause in the contract was placed in
when the existing hauling contract was renewed. He said
there was no way of determining that the participants in
the recycling program were Tamarac residents.
C/M Rohr asked if there were collection points in Margate
and Sunrise and Mr. Luer replied, no. C/M Rohr said
regardless of where the papers were coming from, the
credit should not be cut 50%.
City Manager Kelly suggested this matter be discussed
with Ed Johnson after this presentation.
Mr. Friar said the City needed a guaranteed market and a
contract and the Durbin Paper Company provided those
items for the participants. He said his company would
assist in developing the program and promoting the
program.
C/M Rohr said the BIRP program had igloos that were
placed in the large areas and asked if this type of
program would benefit the City.
Mr. Friar said Co-Trac, manufacturers of BIRP, would have
to be contacted regarding their program. He said he
would get the information on the Company if the City
wanted to investigate the program; however, he would not
recommend the City using this type of Program.
C/M Rohr said this company was a non-profit organization
and they supplied the igloos to the areas.
Mr. Friar said in the past, he found BIRP very expensive;
however, they may have changed their procedures. He said
he would submit information on the Company to the City.
Mr. Couzzo introduced Roland Rivero, Director of Public
Works of Miami Springs.
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Roland Rivero, Director of Public Works of Miami Springs,
said the City of Miami Springs previously used the same
type of paper recycling program as presently being used
in the City of Tamarac; however, because of problems, the
program was dropped for 5 to 6 years.
Mr. Rivero said the Ecology Board of Miami Springs
investigated the recycling program and his City tried the
program as a pilot program. He said the residents would
put the bundles of paper in the alleys. He said the
program was becoming successful; however, the City
realized the program would work better if the materials
were placed on the curb side. He said this program did
work and it was established City wide. He said the City
was divided into half for pickup purposes. He said five
months into the program, the City profited $2,500.00. He
said he utilized his Parks Department with a three man
crew, and this department collected the materials.
Mr. Rivero said his City would be profiting more than
$10,000.00 per year and the money would be used for
landscaping. He submitted a letter to Mike Couzzo
regarding how the City of Miami Springs started their
recycling program.
Mayor Abramowitz asked if Mr. Rivero's City had their own
sanitation department and Mr. Rivero replied, yes.
Mr. Couzzo introduced Peter E. Robinson, Vice President
of Hazen and Sawyer.
Peter E. Robinson, Vice President of Hazen and Sawyer,
said two events would impact the City. He said in the
next two years, the Resource Recovery facilities would be
on line and tipping fees would be doubled. He said the
State of Florida would be setting goals for
Municipalities to follow in recycling; therefore, the
City of Tamarac would be involved in recycling.
Mr. Robinson said the City of Tamarac had the use and the
recycling under their control and Broward County was
responsible for processing the solid waste, burning the
waste and providing the land fills. He said there were
different groups of people in every community and there
were different waste characteristics generated from each
class of customer.
Mr. Robinson said normally these programs were
multi -programs and to determine what type of program to
use in a community, the community had to be studied. He
said the communities were started on a small scale
program to see if the first steps would be successful.
He said the City should look at the overall plan and take
the program step by step to find out what was in the
City's best interest.
Mr. Robinson said Broward County controlled the Waste
Energy plant and Energy Recovery for the land fills. He
said the City collects their materials and at $60.00 to
$70.00 per ton for tipping fees, the City could work out
their own collection system.
C/M Bender asked how the industrial and commercial areas
would be addressed and Mr. Robinson said the commercial
in the City of Tamarac was being collected separate.
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V/M Stelzer said the industrial areas paid for their own
garbage removal.
C/M Bender what would happen to the industrial areas
product and Mr. Robinson said the areas waste would
depend on the market.
C/M Rohr said recently, the fast food stores were
switching from styrofoam to a degradable type of
container. He said every supermarket had a compactor
which compacts the boxes into squares. He said when the
State becomes involved, the garbage problems would begin
to be resolved.
Mayor Abramowitz said he was pleased with this workshop
and he would like to see the City in a pilot project for
the recycling program. He asked the Waste Management and
Durbin Paper Company to meet with the City's officials
and staff and present a program that would be acceptable
to the City and the residents.
Vickie Beech, Resident, said this program would be good
for the City and the residents would be willing to
participate providing there was a program for them to
follow. She said the program has worked in several
States and with an effort by the City of Tamarac, the
program could work in this State as well.
Louis Silverman, Chairman of the Public Information
Board, said the Tam -A -Gram had a circulation of 14,000
which was put out 10 times per year. He said the
Tam -A -Gram was used as a vehicle to advertise the Durbin
Waste Stock Paper. He said the Tam -A -Gram could be used
to publicize the program if the City wished to use the
recycling program.
C/M Hoffman said he has been interested in the problem of
waste for several years. He said it was one of the most
serious problems facing Municipalities today. He said
he would like the City to consider a newspaper recycling
program. He said he would like Waste Management to
present a program to the City regarding the pickup of the
materials from the residents and how much the City would
be profiting.
C/M Rohr said he would like to have a program considered
and if necessary, have a workshop meeting per month until
a program was established.
Mayor Abramowitz said City Manager Kelly was aware of the
City Council's concern and he was confident that the City
staff would assist in creating a program that would be
acceptable to the City and the residents.
City Manager Kelly said the City's staff would work in
getting a pilot program for the City. He said Mike
Couzzo would be the City's Liaison on the program and
thanked all of the participants of this meeting.
Mayor Abramowitz ADJOURNED this meeting at 11:25 A.M.
CAROL E. BARBUTO, CITY CLERK
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