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Home My WebLink About1981-04-12 - City Commission Workshop Meeting Minutesd 5811 NORTHWEST 8iT1-1 AVENUE _0..AMARAC, FL.OfiPDA 33321 TELEPHONE (305) 722-5900 April 2, 1981 1^J$1Zi'6�16(1) ZLIa� �► CITY COUNCIL OF TAMARAC, FLORIDA There will be a Workshop Meeting of the City Council on Tuesday, April 21, 1981 at 2:30 P.M. in the Council Chambers at City Hall., 5811 N. W. 88th Avenue, Tamarac, Florida. The purpose of the Workshop is to review Land Section 7. The City Council may consider such other items as may come before it. The Public is encouraged to attend. .c. ! ..� .f► QQ% :— /lc CITY OF TAMARAC, FLORIDA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP MEETING APRIL 21, 1981 REVIEW OF LAND SECTION 7 CALL TO ORDER: Mayor Falck called the meeting to order at 2:30 P.M. Tuesday, April 21, 1981, in the Council Chambers at City Hall. ROLL CALL: PRESENT: Mayor Walter W. Falck # Vice Mayor Irving M. Disraelly Councilman Philip B. Kravitz Councilman Irving Zemel Councilwoman Helen Massaro ALSO PRESENT: Acting City Manager, Laura Stuurmans City Planner, Evan Cross City Engineer, Larry Keating Consulting Engineer, Anthony A. Nolan Mayor Falck called the Workshop Meeting to order at 2:30 P.M. He read the call of the meeting which was called for the purpose of reviewing Land Section 7. Mayor Falck noted that for a considerable period of time they have been considering the problem of future development of Land Section 7 and he thought basically they need to concern themselves with the total approach that will be followed by the City of Tamarac as it relates to the develop- ment of this particular land section. He commented that it is raw land and the City has to provide for the utilities and other related activities such as roads, possibly a canal system. Rather than do the job incorrectly or move in an area that is not to the best interest of the City it was felt to be advisable to get together for a discussion on how to proceed. Mayor Falck explained that Mr. Nolan had been asked to be present, and also Mr. Keating, City Engineer and Evan Cross, City Planner, to provide input that might be of some assistance to the Council in establishing some guidelines that will eventually follow and enable them to move in the proper direction ultimately to provide for the development of Land Section 7. The Mayor noted that there were present at the Workshop people from Systems Engineering and Mr. Workman from Leadership Housing. Councilwoman Massaro said she would be interested in hearing from Systems Engineering and see if they have something they would like to say that would help our Engineers in their thoughts as to how the planning should proceed and to see how far Systems Engineers have developed any plans on their project, if any. Mr. Richard Baker, Vice President, Systems Engineering addressed the Council. He said they have sixty-four acres they would like to develop as a light industrial facility on behalf of Systems Engineering. Other than acquiring that acreage he noted that they had one meeting with the Mayor and Assistant City Manager on an informal basis and they are at the meeting to learn what the City of Tamarac plans for that area. Mr. Baker indicated they would like to have a 200,000 square foot manufacturing facility on that property. He said they realize it is a long way to go. Councilwoman Massaro said that it is a long way for Council to go also before making plans. Therefore if they have any thoughts it would be helpful. She inquired how many acres they expected to utilize of the 64 acres, for the particular facility. Mr. Baker replied he could not picture that exceeding any greater than ten acres. He said they have not yet decided where it will be located. Councilwoman Massaro pointed out it will have great effect on where canals are located, etc. Mr. Baker introduced David Galloway, Director of Major Corporate Agreements, who handles most of their real estate ventures and Manny MacLain, the Director of Facilities. Evan Cross, City Planner, stated the Tamarac Land Use Plan adopted in November 1979 calls for a majority of the area in Land Section 7 to be utilized in an industrial nature. Mr. Cross placed a map of the area on the Board for reference. He explained the various areas on the map, noting there is in excess of 300 acres. 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MoTTOJ XTqugoad TTTm sTuuuo ago pTus ssoaO 'aye 'Puog TTTH qoN Pup papnaTnog TuT3aaunuo0 Jo aauaoa_agq ju. (pasodoad) 2uiuoz Z-g 90 DITs Tpzoaaunuoo a2ap1 u si aaagZ 'Paap aqq ui paaanaoo suq 2uiuozaa ON uTuoa OT L127 �Ta pmixoaddu sT. goTgr� ` a.zou up a- pasodoid s-4Tun ue 4frogi ggTm `TuiquapTsaa sT PvO2l TTTH qoN �?uoTu paap agz •panaaddp pup pauuPZa agTs uaaq suq uoTIoas pueT aq4 go aauaoo ispaqiaou agi pauTpTdxa ssoaO •aN peoa aqq aog uoTqoas pupT aaijua agq uioa3 f�umv ua-.�jpq aq P1nom aaPjtjWnoaogq The City Engineer commented that the most difficult and most expensive from the standpoint of the initial development will be regarding the waste -water system, and what will be required to deliver the waste water from Land Section 7 to the treatment plant. He noted that preliminary discussions have taken place with the developer who is looking into a large parcel of property in Land Section 8. In those preliminary discussions the Engineers have indicated to him that it will be necessary to construct a sewage force -main, Mr. Keating said. The main would be constructed from Nob Hill Road (the eastern boundary of .land Section 7) to the treatment plant, and that force -main will be sized to transport all of the waste -water from Land. Section 7 to the treatment plant. Mr. Keating pointed out that is a major expense, and a major undertaking. He also explained that the force -main will have to be constructed for approximately a mile and three-quarters, just to connect the east edge of Land Section 7 to the treatment plant. From that point, it will have to be extended through the major collec- tor streets into the Land Section, and discussions with the Consulting Engineer indicate a need for five or six pumping stations, which will connect all of the small parcels and pump the waste -water to the plant. Vice Mayor Disraelly asked the approximate location of Systems Engineer- ing's proposed facility. Mr. Baker, Systems Engineering, pointed the area out on the drawing of Land Section 7, and described where the property is located. Mayor Falck noted an interchange will be put in at Commercial Boulevard which will serve Sunrise, Coral Springs and Tamarac. Evan Cross, City Planner, explained when the Land Use Plan was approved, there was a problem with Land Section 7. The County wanted to certify land use plans without underlying uses under the right-of-way. They did approve Land Section 6 with underlying uses, but not in Land Section 7. Mr. Cross explained when a land use plan is approved, when there is a proposed public facility - a park or a school, or a major roadway - they put a proposal on the map and as far as parks and schools are concerned, they put in another use that will be consistent with the City's requirments or wishes.. The underlying use would be residential in that instance. On the roadway rights -of -way they did not do that. In effect where roads are shown on the map, there can be no other use, Mr. Cross said. However, there is still a legal question with the County concerning the taking of rights -of -way. Mayor Falck said that question will not be resolved, basically, without litigation. Until the first person who owns that land in that particular area goes through the legal process, it will not be clarified. Vice Mayor Disraelly commented in Land Section 6 a Land Use Plan was shown before the road was proposed. However, there was no proposal in Land Section 7, and nothing underlying. The City Planner, in reply to a question, indicated that the Archdiocese of Miami owns the school site/park site area. Mr. Baker said he believed the land was purchased by the Archdiocese for investment purposes. Mayor Falck requested that Tony Nolan, Consulting Engineer, touch on various areas that could be explored by the City in handling the financing. Mr. Nolan said three aspects of the planning had been addressed from a report standpoint, and the portion they have not addressed is the road network. He indicated they would be discussing eight to ten million dollars for Land Section 7. That would be the overall development, and the amount of money would depend upon how it is perceived to develop the property, which could go from a grandiose scheme of doing the whole thing, to a piecemeal operation.. Mr. Nolan said with regard to full development by the City itself, the City .of Sunrise and Margate have developed methodology of developing and both municipalities see advantages from a tax -base standpoint and have taken the grandiose approach. This method is one by which the City can see the development completed, Mr. Nolan said, including drainage, water, sewer and pavement network to all of the benefitting properties within the land section. Mr. Nolan concurred with Mr. Keating regarding sewers being a major problem. For purposes of a proposed connection charge or a contribution and construction charge for that particular section was addressed at a cost in excess of one -million dollars, and that only spoke of one pumping station. Tyr. Nolan commented that the five pumping stations are necessary as a result of the drainage network which has been generated with the thought that the canals would be used to separate different land uses and as a consequence the canals were splitting property ownerships rather than making property ownerships less desirable by splitting them in half. -3- 4/21/81 /lc oT/ T8/Tz/17 -7 •aTgTssod aq PTnom IT auq; paTTdaa UPTON xw •uuTd TVIOI p inoggTm '2uTpTTnq ggTm paaooad oq pazp gpNON agq uT aTdoad jog aTgTssod aq PTnom IT 3T pauoTgsanb fTTauxsTQ uumomTTounoD •a2u-4opd Tpgoq aqq sT IT quamdoTanaP Tuao3 jog pup Tuoi4Txo eau smaTgoad aqq 30 TTp lug4 PaJugs zaauT2uH �duigTnsuoD agl •uOTIuaapTsuoo aaggOup sT a2vuTuxQ uTum-aoxo� u013u3s dmnd uzag3aou aga oquT 3a2 o; aTqu aq rpm �agZ ppoT zamas aTag: .uodn 2uTpuadap `sTsuq wiao4uT up uo ppog gpNoN of Puagxa 01 fITTTgp aqq anpq Xaq; paTTdaa upTON •zW •uoTIuOOT zTagl 3u 2uTga.Kuu op uuo 2uTxaauT2ug smags�s JT paxTnbuT 1TTauxsTQ xoXuN aoTn •quuTd quamluazl a2pmas aq3 pup uoTgoas pupT qugq uaamiaq pzoo TeazTTqum a141 sT maTgoad aoUpm aqq zanaMOH -uTpUI-aoaoj auo puu uoT4u4s d�nd auo aq pTnOm luql pTus UPTON •aW `xaIum aOJ szuTTOP uoTTTTm p 90 smzaq uT 2uTxTu:[ �lgvgoxd puu `xamas JOJ szuTTOP uOTTTTm aaglOuu 30 ssaoxa uT �uT�Tu� azu �ag� 'OsTV •szpTTop uoTTTTm aazq aq TTTm goTgm ppoz _To saTTm aazgq �TgTssod `puog pupTsT auTd uo papua:lxa fuTaq auO a41 Oq apTTmTs ma4sfis duMg2Tq auuT-aTdTITnm 'adfI-Tuana.0 Tog aTTm p szpTTop uoTTTTm p go ssaoxa up uugq aaom 4o sxpads XiunoD aq1 •anTsuadxa axu 3ugi spuoz TpdTouTzd aau aaagO `asT'V •szpTTop uOTTTTm DAT3 30 ssaoxa uT axagmamos aq pTnoM azn2ij aqi paipoTpuT aq 'papnTouT puuT gITM ';uama2pupm xaipm aougzns sT amagos asoTpuP A aqq uT suoTgnTos anTsuadxa 2som aq4 go auo plus uuToN -IN -aq saTITxoTad aga pTnoM azagm 2daouoa Tuioi u sp IT 2uTxpl sum UPTON •aW JT N aTnbuT �TlavJSTG aOAPW aoTA •agnop aaom samooaq maTgoxd aqi 'sT Agzadozd s,aaumo puuT aqq aaagm 2uTpuadap pup passaappu aq oa anuq TTu pTus UPTON -zlq •sailTaoiad aql eau smagT goTgM UPTON 'IN pa�su aH •2uama2pupm zalum 'sppox 'zaMas 'aaqu« uoTquzapTsuoo aapun smaaT anoj azp azagl pagou fTTapzsTQ aOKUH aoTn •paouuuig aq TTTm IT MOq puu `panTonuT SISOO aqJ 01 sp anT4TuT3aP aaom aq oq fxussaoau aq TTTm IT szaumo puuT aqq ggTm quads puu InO 02 01 magi Tog aapzo uT pTus uuTON 'IN •uoTis622ns auo glTm paxxnouoa XTTapzsTQ aOXPN aoTn '.K2TTTgTssod ;uua2 aqa anoqu xaspao golTN glTm pads aauuuTd K;TD agq paasa22ns aOxpN aq� pup uoissaS sTua qv pauTmaagap aq TTTm aTquTTpap Iappm aap saTuom Juua2 IOU ao aa113agM Pup uoTssas uT sT aanquTsT2aq ags 'sTsuq sTgq uo KgTlTgTssod lug3 azoTdxa of papT pool p aq gg2Tm IT qugq PaquammOo -�ToTp3 aO"N •soigToads aq4 pagoxuasaa aou ppq aq inq 'spung a2uis sum IT mauq aq PaTTdaa ssoaD •aN 'spung anTJuTsT2aT aTquTTunu mox4 amuo poolszapun aq goTgM 'PauTuggo asTxuns IuuA go adXq a141 gITm apTTTmu4 sT xauuuTQ XgTD 9g3 JT paainbuT �Mu3 aOXuN •papuadxa Xauom aqq go gTgauaq aqq a�lu:t 01 aTgp aq TTTM Xagl azojaq aq TTTM IT �?uOT mog sT uoTlpzapTsuoo zoCpm aql Paluammoo aH •asTzdzaqua agpnTxd oq pasoddo su 2uTouuuTJ TudToTunm aaaj-xuq go ITgauaq aqq 1a2 pup amil go poTzad x02uoT u xano Guam.Kud aq2 gogax;s pup puoq u go puT-.,l amOs TTas 04 lupm PTnom fITD aqq aq TTam Kum IT pTps UPTON •zN •suoTssazdmT aTagl 1a2 of 'auop aq PTnogs 3uga 2uTgq 4sa7j aqq sT szauMO PupT auo uaamgaq 0uTgaam p"gpgq paquammoo oxussp uumomTTounoo •aiudzoT2zud 6:1 �JuTTTTM aaaM �auq 3T magq mozJ 2UTTaaj u 4@2 pup szaumO pupT snoTaVA aq3 aou3uoo oa 3uads Tram gzojja pup amid aq pTnom gT4g2nogl aq 'goaCoxd p anTsuadxa 3ug3 pup quamdOTanaP go ad.�q 3ugq uTugqu of puTm p 30 azam XITD 9q4 JT pTus UPTON 'IN •saTITTTgTsuodsaa aTa141 �uTmnssp uT palsaza4uT pup Kpuaa saadOTanap amos gsuaT IV 2uTapg gnogqTm apniTu2pm qugq go gouoxddu up uo anuq of aTquuosuaa maas IOU pTnom IT paJpoTpuT aqg 'ivamssassu qugq uTggTm �ITITgTsuodsaa zTagI amnssu oq Kpuaa aaam gpgq szadoTanap go aagmnu p ppq �aq2 pup gauozddu sTgq ua->lu4 ppq asTzuns lugq pagou oapsSPN upmomTT0uno0 szpTTop uOTTTTm uaq go KiTuToiA aqq uT sT ivamdoTanap go lsoo aqumTgTn aq; paIVOTpuT zaauT2ug 2umgTnsuoD aqx •sanTasmagi ')lougXud agq a�pq pup pTTnq pup ppaU 02 oq snoa2u4uunpp aaom aq IgSTm IT pup uoTionzlsuoo go adXq qugq apnToaxd PTnom � uoTgoas puuT uT dTgszaumo PaIuam2uzj aqq qugq azam TTOunOD 30 suxaouoo TuuT2Tao aqy -pooh aq pTnom IT 'szadOTanap quanbas -qns moxj ivamasangmTaz �uzuTuggo go s2oadsozd'agq ggTm axngTpuadxa go ad.�3 qugq XJT4snC oq fgTxaTdmoo pup azTs aql sT g uoTloas puu? uT quamdOTanaP aqq JT pagpoTPuT aH •sxamas ago apTnoad of Xzpssaoau Xauom agq „pua-Iuoag„ o; paogiu uua pup XIaadoad go saoaTd aTquazTs g-qTm uT amoo TTTM szadOTanap 4ugq adoq of anuq TTTm X3TO aqI pagpgs UPTON 'IN •aaaq; auop aq oq suq gpgm moue fagz •ma;sXs uoTgngTxqsTp aaqum aqq sT aTgpuTjap gsom aq; pup 'smaTgozd 4uuoTjTu2Ts aap azagq pTus upTON •aw -auo o; pasoddo sp suoTquis 2u?dmnd anTJ zoj paau aqI saipioTp axnpaooxd sTgJ Mr. Nolan explained, however, at a future date a realignment of the waste water transmission system for the shopping center should be reconsidered. Councilwoman Massaro inquired if, considering the tremendous rates that are being asked at the present time for any kind of loans, isn't it reasonable to assume that it would be economically better to let the overall development rest, unless grants are availble, and let anyone who is in the buildable area provide for further connections to whatever has to be developed. Mr. Nolan replied if they want to omit from their thinking the people that are not continguous with McNab Road or some other arterial, that is the solution. However, if they want to take into consideration others who are not so fortunate, then it is not the solution. Councilwoman Massaro said perhaps it would be best to contact all of those property owners to see..what they would like to see the City do at the present time. Mr. Nolan said there is an exhibit attached to the Water Management plan for Land Section 7 that lays out where the ownerships are and who owns the property. There are sixteen separate ownerships delineated on that map. Mr. Nolan suggested contacting those people and convening another workshop with all present, to outline some kind of a plan that would be a little more definitive than the present discussion. Also, make contacts with regard to public funding. Councilwoman Massaro.uoted that in speaking with Mitch Ceasar the previous day he indicated he was going to Tallahassee to meet with people to discuss another grant. She suggested someone get in touch with him and ask him to research the availability of possible grants while he is there. Mayor Falck indicated they will follow through on the suggestion. Mr. Nolan stated, with regard to relative costs, the cheapest place for anyone to borrow money is in the public sector. if development is about to take place it would be more advantageous if people could align themselves with a public body to borrow money, even on a short- term basis. Councilwoman Massaro stated that regardless of this, only if those who have to pay for it are ready for it, those who own the land, that is what they should be conderned. about. Mr. Galloway, Systems Engineering, displayed a map of Section 7. He said they would like to have a facility there within two years and it will obviously take a great deal of time. He said he is aware of some of the adjacent property owners who bought the property for investment purposes. He said he knows of 100 acres surrounding the Systems Engineering property, and there are no plans to develop that. Assuming all property owners are contacted and none have any plans to develop, how can Systems get in there to put a plant up within a two year time -plan, he asked. Mr. Galloway questioned if there would be water facilities available to them, and sewer facilities available to them, or would they have to wait until the total plan is laid out before they can do any planning. Councilwoman Massaro said that is the question she asked. She questioned if the land owner has every right to expect the City will give him services even though someone owns the land in front of him, because of the land section easements that are provided by law. Mr. Keating replied that obviously it would be very difficult to put all facilities that are necessary in the 30' right-of-way, but it probably would be possible to put water and sewer lines in 24' of pavement. He said that possibly the land owner would negotiate with the adjacent property owners and it would help them to know the 30' strip eventually is going to be a 106' strip. Knowing that, the owner may just as soon dedicate the right of way. Possibly the property could be served from McNab Road or Nob Hill, he commented. Councilwoman Massaro inquired if the shopping center will go to the center of the land section; Mr. Keating showed on the map where the shopping center is located. He said they are putting the canal in on the southside of their property and that will connect with an existing culvert and a new culvert across Nob Hill Road at a later time. Even- tually the canal will meander west to the Borrow. Canal and south to the south side of the section, depending on how it is developed. Councilwoman Massaro noted that Systems Engineering would also have to provide for half a canal on their section line. Mr. Keating replied -5- 4/21/81 /lc that the City will be looking to what they expect from Systems Engineering and he would recommend that first of all they look to acquiring the necessary canal rights -of -way as indicated on the Water Management Plan done by the Consulting Engineer, and that the City go along with the South Florida Water Management District regulations which require the sites to be self-sufficient in providing internal waterways protecting them from a hundred -year storm and under that design condition they are only allowed to discharge a certain amount of water into the major canal areas. Councilwoman Massaro asked Mr. Keating what he would expect, in antici- pation of building in two years, what should the City be doing first to help them accomplish this goal and what should the City be looking for from Systems Engineering. Mr. Keating replied the City can discuss with them what the City will be requiring. it will be up to them to decide whether to connect to McNab'Road ar t Nob Hill Road. Mr. Keating stated that: 1) Define the right-of-way widths for the road accesses that will abut the Systems Engineering property. They would proceed to contact property owners off their site to try to convince them to dedicate the necessary rights.of way at this time rather than wait until they come in to develop. 2) The City has defined the size of the water -line which needs to be extended to the property and will then be extended from the closest point in the right-of-way and then through the internal project. 3) Define what is necessary and put them in touch with the developer of Land Section 8 and suggest they might want to participate mutually in the construction and perhaps the City can be a third part in the discussions. Councilwoman Massaro questioned the City's rights to require the land owner to pay whatever the City decides is needed to be done for the backbone improvements. She asked if the City still has that right if only quarter of the land section affects them. She asked if they could develop that part and require them to pay their share. Mr. Keating said "no" because the facilities would serve the whole land section and not a quarter. Mr. Nolan said the City's police powers allow them to assess the cost of facilities that are deemed important, but only the proportionate costs. Councilwoman Massaro said it would not be economically feasible to do a section since the City would have to carry a debt until such time as further development took place. She said a way will have to be found so that they can build and be within a buildable area and connect later to a full development concept that will be established at a later time. The Consultant Engineer said the City is really dealing with very abstract thoughts and do not have it clearly in focus yet. He said the storm water management plan is flexible and the routing not very important. About 12,- to 15% of the property will be held for storm water retention and it may be in order to meet the problem the proportionate amount would have to be given by them initially since there is no outlet. Mr. Nolan said it is very complex. Also, Mr. Nolan said he thought Systems Engineering would need to buy access to McNab Road, which would be used for access and for water and sewer, temporarily. Councilwoman Massaro said that should be sufficient right-of-way for the time being. Mr.. David Galloway, Systems Engineering, commented that they met with Mr. John Smoko, Director of the Broward Industrial Board. He said the Board assists with development and lobbies with the State for monies for roads and improvements and help in building industrial parks. Mr. Galloway said it may be advisable that he participate in one of the meetings and lend what assistance he can. Mayor Falck said what it really boils down to is who has the most clout to open the most doors in order to get the most money. The Mayor suggested the Broward Indus- trial Board be notified when the next Workshop Meeting pertaining to Land Section 7 is held. Mayor Falck adjourned the Workshop Meeting at 4:00 P.M. CAROL A. ASST.-CITYEVANS,r�/CLERK This public document was promulgated at a cost of $ /6'�-/, or per copy to inform the general public and public o ficers and employees about recent opinions and considerations by the City Council of the City of Tamarac. -6- 4/21/81