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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1984-11-02 - City Commission Workshop Meeting MinutesMAIL REPLY TO: P.O. BOX 25010 TAMARAC, FLORIDA 33320 5811 NORTHWEST 88TH AVENUE TAMARAC, FLORIDA 33321 TELEPHONE (305) 722-5900 October 25, 1984 NOTICE OF WORKSHOP MEETING CITY COUNCIL TAMARAC, FLORIDA There will be a Workshop Meeting of the City Council on Friday, November 2, 1984 at 9:30 A.M. in the Council Chambers of City Hall, 5811 NW 88 Avenue, Tamarac, on the following item: Sabal Palm Golf Course - Presentation by the developer concerning proposed Land Use Plan Revisions and development plans for three parcels in the golf course. The public is invited to attend. Carol A. Evans Assistant City Clerk Pursuant to Section 286.0105, Florida Statutes If a person decides to appeal any decision made by the city Council with respect to any matter considered at such meeting or hearing, he will need a record of the proceedings and for such purpose, he may need to ensure that a verbatim record includes the testimony and evidence upon which the appeal is to be based. CITY OF TAMARAC, FLORIDA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP MEETING "Sabal Palm Golf Course" November 2, 1984 Tape CALL TO ORDER: Mayor Kravitz called the meeting to order at 9:30 A.M., on 1 Friday, November 2, 1984, in the Council Chambers. Mayor Kravitz read the official notice of the meeting which was scheduled for a presentation by the developer concerning Sabal Palm Golf Course. Mayor Kravitz advised that the previous meeting on this subject did not allow sufficient time for the developer's presentation or for the public's cent. He continued that this is a Workshop and there will be no action taken on this item at this meeting. ROLL CALL: PRESENT: Mayor Philip B. Kravitz Vice Mayor Sydney M. Stein C/M Jack Stelzer C/M Raymond J. Munitz C/M Allan C. Bernstein ALSO PRESENT: City Manager, Elly F. Johnson City Attorney, Jon Henning Secretary, Carol M. Thrasher MEDITATION AND PLEDGE: Mayor Kravitz led in a moment of meditation followed by the Pledge of Allegiance. J. Barry Curtin, representing the Oxford Development Company, stated that this meeting was for the purpose of reviewing their plans to develop the grounds around the golf course site. He continued that the architect, the engineer, and the senior developer of the project would discuss their plans and concepts in an attempt to get a free exchange of ideas with the City. Mr. Curtin advised that nothing has been filed with the City on this project; it is a concept site plan and there is much to be done on this development. He continued that at this point they need to determine if the project will be beneficial to both the developer and the City before continuing with further development plans. Mr. Curtin distributed copies of a brochure previously delivered to City residents and provided the background and history of the project. He said that the existing covenant to keep this site as a golf course will expire October 1, 1988, at which time the property can be developed for a series of other uses. He continued that their plans focus on these uses and added that the developer's rights were affirmed as a result of the City's appeal to a 1977 lawsuit. He advised that their discussions would include those 375 hcmes that have been adjudicated; a hotel site on the 11 acres at the intersection of Commercial Boulevard and the Turnpike; and a 50,000 square feet office building on the south side of Crcial, west of the tunnel entrance. Mr. Curtin advised that their proposal also includes donating the deed to the golf course to the City for perpetuity as a City -owned golf course. He added that the City would receive approximately $250,000.00 a year in revenue from a debt -free course. Mr. Curtin introduced the Senior Developer, George Janke; the Project Engineer, Richard Wohlfarth; and the Architect, George Mouriz. Mr. Curtin prefaced. Mr. Janke's slide presentation with the background of the Oxford Development Cc mpany . -1- 11/2/84 /cmt Mayor Kravitz stated that the statements of the previous speaker have disproved the rumors that the City has already approved the development at Sabal Palm. Mr.Janke provided.a more detailed background of the Ccmipany,stating that it is the third largest builder of apartments in the world and is a major developer of residential units with an upgraded, adult theme. He said that the Cm1pany is expanding to the South Florida area with a major commitment and is selecting high quality locations for these complexes. He advised that a complex of 300 apartments is being planned in the middle of a golf course at Palmaire and several other golf courses in other loca- tions. Mr. Janke presented a slide of an office building in Orlando of the same type that is planned for Tamarac. He repeated that the theme is aimed for adults, with a restriction for children. Mr. Janke continued that the Company maintains its own property and manages the developments with its ewn staff. He invited Tamarac to form a committee of citizens, staff, and Council to visit the site in Orlando at the Company's expense. Mr. Mouriz and Mr. Woh1farth provided a slide Presentation. Mr. Mouriz described the slides of the Reflections project in Orlando, with the same density planned for Tamarac. He added that this is a waterfront cormmunity highly ameni.tized by the Lake, the pool and the clubhouse, with two and three story buildings. He pointed out that the architecture will complement the community and will not necessarily be the same as that in Orlando. Mr. Mouriz advised that the boundaries of the project are the Florida Turnpike, Rock Island Road and Commercial Boulevard; and is approximately 130 acres of land known as the Sabal Palm Golf Course. Mr.;bhlfarth pointed out the sites on the screen as Mr. Mouriz discussed the rental community at the intersection of Rock Island and Cc mercial with access from both roads; the hotel site to the right at the intersection of the Turnpike and cc mercial; and the office site across the street from the residential community. Mr. Mouriz discussed the traffic impact into the existing residential areas and added that their development does not include any plans to use the existing roadways. He said that the residential development will have its own access from Commercial and Rock Island; the hotel will be accessible from Camammercial Boulevard, with a deceleration lane; and the office site will have access from Commercial and limited access from 50th Avenue. Mr. Mouriz pointed out that the residential buildings are 2-story, with 3-story in the center of the L-shaped buildings, lie said that the Ccmmjnity will have its own access by a circular drive and will include landscaping, tennis courts, a large pool and a clubhouse, with the houses surrounding the lake. He added that automobiles will be concealed by the landscaping effect within the individual residential areas. Mr. Mouriz advised that no existing homes will be affected or eliminated by this development, but the golf course will be restructured so that the first and eighteenth holes are adjacent to the clubhouse facility. He said that the hotel will be seven stories or higher to provide visibility from major roadways and it will have a clubhouse restaurant facility to be used by lease to the City for the operation of the golf course. Pair. Mouriz added that an additional 75 parking spaces would be provided for the golf course. He continued that the office site will be a 54,000 square -foot, 4-story building, with the majority of the parking underground. He explained that the first level will be a turn -around area used as a drop-off point, it will be landscaped to buffer Caemiercial Boulevard and the residential units; and will provide the primary access to Commercial Boulevard. He added that any above ground parking would be at the side facing the ccmTercial development and in the rear by the golf course. Mr. Mouriz said that current plans are for a 2-story lobby housing a banking facility and the remainder of the building as offices. -2- 11/2/84 /cmt Mr. Wohlfarth advised that he would discuss concerns with traffic engineering and water management to provide a better understanding of their proposal. He said that he was previously associated with the engineering firm that designed the widening of Commercial Boulevard and he is aware of the traffic problems in this area. He reviewed the roadways in the surrounding area and discussed the possibility of traffic generated by the building of the hotel. Mr. Wohlfarth said that the 250-room hotel will be approximately an 11-acre Parcel at the northeast corner of Ccmmercial and Rock Island. He continued that they are trying to minimize the effect of traffic on 49th and 50th by creating anew turn lane into the hotel site. He expressed assurance in achieving this by maintaining a distance of 660 feet between openings or turn lanes. Mr. Wohlfarth presented a preliminary sketch of the turn lanes from the turnpike going west, that will be proposed to the County and State in an effort to minimize the traffic off CcmTercial Boulevard. He added that Tamarac patrons are also anticipated in the area, so they are planning a left turn lane to provide for that traffic onto Commercial Boulevard, east. Mr. Wohlfarth advised that the County has performed a computerized analysis, "biz run", of traffic for the purpose Of determining the effect of all three projects on the surrounding roads. He said that the County analysis reported that these projects will not excessively impact the traffic and there is no need to do any more work on this side of the bridge on Commercial. He added that they will be required to make a payment to the County to help widen Commercial Boulevard east of Powerline Road going toward I-95, and an impact fee for Rock Island Road, Mr. Wohlfarth said that a requirement of their site plan procedure and approval would include that they build and pay for the turn lanes near the residential areas. Mr. Wohlfarth said that approximately $37,000.00 would be involved with these "biz runs" and a significant amount of money will be paid as a result of this project for road improvements. He added that they want to insure that that money will be applied to projects here, so that Rock Island can be widened and the turn lanes can be added. With regard to water management, Mr. Wohlfarth advised that thev must maintain a certain amount of run-off on their own sites. He added that there are already many lakes in the City and several on the golf course but they will also develop other lakes for water management. He pointed out that on the north side there is a canal or ditch, and this will be widened and improved for this purpose. Mr.Wohlfarth pointed out that in 1988 there is the potential for 700 additional units on this land, which could generate approximately 5,000 trips a day. He advised that this would not be realized if their project is approved. Mr. Curtin presented the economic impact and revenues to be generated by this project, stating that the city -owned golf course could generate approxi- mately $250,000.00 a year as a debt -free business for the City. He said that the tax benefits, calculated as the Broward County Ccnr fission's Property Appraiser would, are $147,102.00 for the apartment complex; $31,800.00 for the office building; and $66,599.00 for the hotel; for a total of $245,525.00 annually. He added that of this total, Tamarac would get a proportionate share according to the millage rate. Mr. Curtin advised that with this project, there would be a series of trade- offs. He suggested that the higher hotel of seven stories or more, would attract the more premium type of management group and would provide better views of the community. He acknowledged that the hotel would be taking the existing clubhouse, so that would be provided within the hotel, as well as a restaurant and coffee shop for the patrons of the golf course. -3- 11/2/84 /CMt Mr. Curtin advised that the estimated value of the land is $3� Million and without this project, the City would have to pass a bond issue with the attendant costs to the residents to retain the land as a golf course. He suggested that their project would be a more attractive site than other potentials and would benefit then as well as the City. C/M Stelzer pointed out the Sabal Palms Condos on the chart and asked for clarification on specific setbacks and easements. Mr. Mouriz replied that there will be a min num of 30-foot setbacks from those condaminiums and added that the existing road will be part of the physical planning of the project. C/M Stelzer pointed out a 125-foot easement and the center of the 8th green and asked how far out they would go in that direction. Mr. Mouriz advised that the chart was scaled to inches and there would be approximately 700-800 feet. C/M Stelzer asked how far the building would be from the tunnel and if there would be a roadway for golf carts. Mr. Mouriz replied that the tunnel would be maintained and the setbacks would be 30-40 feet from the property lane, with an additional 30 feet to the asphalt at Commercial Boulevard. In reply to C/M Stelzer, Mr. Mouriz said that the tunnel will be dealt with considering the access to the golf course from the underground parking at the office building. He added that the setbacks would be 50 feet and would be landscaped. C/M Stelzer pointed out the location of a concrete wall at Sabal Palm Plaza and asked how deep the heroes would be from that location. Mr. Mouriz said that they would be approximately 200-250 feet in depth, and with the frontage from Commercial Boulevard, it would be 300-350 feet. C/M Stelzer asked if they were landscaping approximately two-thirds of the faia:way and Mr. Mouriz confirmed that. C/M Stelzer referred to a flyer from Mr. Stackhouse with regard to a planned retirement/convalescent ccxrUlex and Mr. Mouriz confirmed that they were not considering this. Mr. Ray Hudemarn7, resident of Section 7, asked if the donation of the golf course included land for a pro shop; electric cart parking; parking for golf patrons; maintenance equipment garage and shop, right -of --way at each end of the tunnel. He expressed his belief that the City should own all those facilities associated with the golf course. Mr. gohlfarth explained that the total parcel of land is 130-135 acres and their proposal involves 17 acres for the residential project; 11 acres for the hotel site; and lh acres for the office site. He said that they would plat the entire 135 acres and would dedicate the remainder to the City, to include whatever right-of-way and easement needs are required. Mr. Hudemann referred to a previous presenta- tion wherein it was stated that the buyers would have a gross tax credit of $3� Million and asked who that would be. Mr. Janke replied that it is Oxford Development Company. Mr. John Fleming, President of the Maintenance Corporation of the Homeowners Association of Section 7, stated that he has seen three previous presentations on this project and today's presentation clears up most of his concerns, with the exception of the traffic impact. He suggested that Council should consider where the land will cane from for drainage retention; how many Ordinances will have to be redrafted to cover this project; the $33� Imillion tax credit; and whether or not the Municipal Golf Course can operate at a profit. Mr. Flemming said that one of the biggest losses would be the beauty in the gateway to Tamarac, as viewed from the turnpike. Mr. Edward Moore, Vice President of Mainlands 7 Maintenance Corporation, asked what the age restriction would be and Mr. Janke replied that there would be no children under 16. Mr. Moore asked that the ant with regard to limited access from 50 Ave. be clarified and Mr. Mouriz explained that it is presently proposed that the main traffic will come through Commercial and down into the parking lot, with access from 50th only being for a drop --off point. QII 11/2/84 /cmt Mr. Mouriz continued that there will be no access to 50th from the hotel and the two existing roadways to the developuelt will not be urpacted by any traffic. Mr. Moore asked if any of the tees will be moved closer to the hones and Mr. Mouriz said that it is planned to modify several holes, with #1 and #18 being closer to the hotel; but the changes will not affect the hones now surrounding the golf course. Ron DeMarco, Resident of Mainlands 7, asked what plans there were for deceleration lanes cominq from the turnpike west and east -bound into the project. Mr. Wohl.farth advised that he has been meeting with the District Design Engineer; and displayed a detailed drawing pointing out how these lanes will be provided. He added that the limited access easement will have to be modified and maintained; and then these will be public roads, with all rights -of -way assigned to the State. Mr. Wohlfarth said that the turn lane into 50th has not yet been approved by the State DOT and will need more modifications to be typical. He added that the DOT and Broward County have developed a traffic -ways plan to cover decelerating problems. Mayor Kravitz advised, that Council is aware of the matters still pending with the State DOT and they will be considered in Council Meeting prior to any vote. Tape Vincent Trapp, resident of Section 6, asked what would happen if the City 3 did not accept this golf course. Mayor Kravitz advised that it expires October 1, 1988, and the developer has the option to apply for whatever building he desires. Mr. Trapp referred to the entrance into Section 6 from Rock Island and Commercial Boulevard and stated his concern about a thoroughfare into Section 6. Mayor Kravitz assured Mr. Trapp that Council would consider that at the proper time. Albert Young, Member of the Board of the Woodlands Hcmeowners Association accepted the developer's offer to visit Orlando and advised that the Wood- lands would like to send three representatives. Mr. Young said that there was a previous proposal for tall buildings at the northwest corner of Rock Island and Commercial and at that time, it was not accepted because it ,,mould diminish the value of the hones in the Woodlands. He suggested the building of single family homes as opposed to multi -story homes. He also asked if the office building could be placed closer to the hotel. Mr. Janke stated that by the visit to Orlando, the residents will be more assured of the type of building planned for this area. Shirley Blumfield, corresponding secretary of Tamarac Presidents Council, asked how the 375 units would be built and Mr. Janke advised that they would be one and two bedroom homes. Lillian Kramer, resident of Mainlands 7, asked the range of rental for these homes and if the existing sidewalk would be maintained. Mr. Janke replied that the .rental would be $400-$600 monthly and the sidewalk will remain. Lillian Feldman, President of the Woodlands Hcoeowners Association, expressed her appreciation for the presentation and advised that the association would study this and arrive at a decision. Bernie Simms, President of the Bermuda Club Condo, expressed his concern over the traffic on Crcial Boulevard and the entrance from Commnercial.. He suggested that Council should consider the existing feed -in Lane from the Turnpike. Mr. Simms said that he is also concerned over the height of the buildings and the size of the golf course. Doug Kramer, resident of Mainlands 7, stated his concern for the tall buildings in a residential section and the need for additional fire equipment necessary to protect that height. He added that he is also concerned about the addi- tional people needed to maintain these facilities. -5- 11/2/84 /Cmt Bernard Neuman, resident of Vanguard Village, expressed his concern over the operational costs of the golf course. Mr. Janke advised that their study is based on the past three years of operation and those figures are not avail- able today, but will be provided to Council. C/M Stelzer advised that he has seen those figures and assured Mr. Neuman that they are correct. Mr. Newman asked if an environmentalimpactstudy had been made and Mr. Janke replied that all of those items will be addressed in the platting procedures. Irving Schneider, resident of the Sabal Palms Condo, referred to the access and egress on Rack Island between Bailey and anv ercial and stated his concern for the traffic and entry from the Sabal Palms Condo. He asked that Council consider the traffic pattern from the Sawgrass Expressway as it affects pedestrians crossing Commercial and Rock Island, because there are no sidewalks. Mery Cohen, resident of the Woodlands, expressed his doubt that the municipal golf course will make money and recommended that the corporation keep the course but give the City a perpetual dedication that it will be a golf course forever, with permanent use by Tamarac residents. He stated that he would prefer to have the corporation maintain the course so the City would not be involved in a commercial business. Virginia Taylor, resident, asked how far east of the tunnel would be changed and Mr. Mouriz advised that there would be no change to the tunnel; it would be incorporated into the underground parking at the office building. Seymour Polster, resident of Shaker Village, said that he was concerned over the revision of the golf course as it affected the playing of the course. C/M Stelzer replied that it will still be a par 72 course and only the greens would be modified to be a little shorter. Dorothy Fleming, resident of Section 7, stated that her home is on the east side of the curvature of the golf course and she is concerned with the flow of water in the ditch when it reaches this point. Mr.WWohlfarth stated that this will be improved and maintained by the developer. Ms. Fleming also asked if there would still be a turn lane and traffic light at 49th and Mr- Wohlfarth replied that the developer prefers this, but the DOT will make the decision. Mr. Janke assured Ms. Fleming that the developer would not make any recommendations, to re x4e that light. Bernard Mann, resident of Section 7, asked if the developer would build the same quality of structures as he has in the northern areas and asked specifically about sprinkler systems. Mr. Janke advised that the same prototype is built for every location, with only small variations for the locale. He said that sprinkler systems are not installed if they are not required by Code. C/M Bernstein stated that he would like to see an additional plan to show the surrounding areas adjacent on all sides; the tunnel on C nmiercial Boulevard; and enlarged detail of roads, both existing and planned. Mr. Janke advised that he would make that available. C/M Munitz advised that. the Golf Feasibility Committee would study all the facts and figures to determine whether or not the City wants this Course. He reviewed several of the concerns of the residents and stated that Council will consider these prior to any action on this proposal. C/M Munitz asked who would own: and manage the apartments and Mr. Janke replied that they will be owned by the developer or one of its companies, and they will provide their own trained staff. C/M Munitz stated that this is only a conceptual plan and assured the residents that nothing has been approved by the Council on this proposal. He summarized many of the questions that have been taken care of today and stated that there are still questions to be answered and matters to be considered as the development progresses. -6- 11/2/84 /omt C/M Stelzer pointed out that the Court has already approved the building of a residential area in this location and Council must now be concerned with the office building, the hotel, and the golf course. He said that the input from the residents is needed in order to make the determination on this proposal, and suggested that a straw vote be taken of all of the City's residents. Vice Mayor Stein agreed with previous ocnv ents that the building of the apartment complex is a fact, but the City can control the types of buildings on this location. He suggested that if the residents want to retain their golf course view, this proposal must be considered; otherwise there could be a residential development with approximately 700 units in this location in 1988. Mayor Kravitz advised that all views and ideas frcin the residents should be submitted to Council. Mayor Kravitz adjourned the Workshop Meeting at 11:45 A.M. Carol A. Evans Assistant City Clerk This public docLmient was promulgated at a cost of $ 119-o %or $ // [(/ per copy, to inform the general public and public officers and employees about recent opinions and considerations by the City Council of the City of Tamarac. &a 11/2/84 /cmt